Talk:Gemcutting

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Is it not "Gemcutter" ? http://aoc.wikia.com/wiki/Gemcutter ? Daworm 14:53, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Further headings for the "Gem Stats" column might be useful to people who don't know about Gemcutting and haven't read the rest of the article with a fine tooth comb.

» Cragz 12:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Any suggestions? I didn't put a header on the sub-table simply because it would make the table even longer than it already is. There are a half-dozen compilations on the forum and none look even remotely similar. I'm really at a loss for the best way to present all the information. Maybe a Newbie Guide at the top that explains things in a non-data-driven format? --Kadaan 00:10, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Honestly, I'm not sure. As someone who hasn't looked into Gemcutting in the slightest I was confused as to exactly what the columns were meant to represent, so suggested a header on that basis. Someone like yourself who's more intimately involved with the process would be better suited to suggest solutions to the slight ambiguity. The non-uniform look of the data compilations is something which definitely needs an organized team to approach, but until then I think getting the data in is more beneficial than having it look the part.

» Cragz 07:12, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps post a link on the official forums to the list here, and ask for others input into a more easy to read format? I'm not doing GemCutting at all so can't help out there sorry :( I might work on the Alchemy one ... at least when Funcom fix Alchemy drops... *mutters*

Daworm  talk / cont 10:42, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gem Stats box

Is it possible to add a header to that section as well?? I mean there are all those numbers but no idea what each one is?

Daworm  talk / cont 04:28, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

I added a legend above the whole list. Adding one to each table would increase the size of the already too large table. I'm still trying to find a better way to display it all. Possibly a list on the main page of just what prefixes match up with which colors, and a second page to hold the actual stats for each tier. The only two other lists I've seen so far are Uilamin's Spreadsheet and Jaidan's Database. --Kadaan 06:55, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

I might be able to add a header onto the "Gem Stats" box actually... I'll have to do some current code tweaking and move some things around. In short my idea is to make it look as so.

				Gem Stats
Prefix	Slot	Color	Bonus Type	Gem	T1	T2	T3	T4	T5	T6
1	2	3	4	A	B	C	D	E	F	G
1	2	3	4	A	B	C	D	E	F	G

But then in this style, you don't have the sortable headers properly. But I'm sure they could be worked in with some more tweaking. Would this be a better style perhaps though? Might even be able to set it up so that you have {{Gem Header}} to generate the "header" of the list, and then {{GemE|prefix|slot|etc|etc|etc}}

Yay? Nay?

Daworm  talk / cont 07:37, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Being able to sort by color and/or cut is how I use the list. As long as you can sort by those adding a header at the very top for bonuses would be great, but I think the list is too big and would like to try and condense it.

How do you create a template for a tooltip? I looked at the Infobox:Item template but it just has class="itemtable", which I'm not sure if I can just re-use or if a new class needs to be created in a stylesheet somewhere. I'm thinking of structuring the table something like this:

Prefix	Bonus Type	Color	One-Handed	Two-Handed	Armor
Algid	Invulnerability to Cold	Orange	-	-	Oblique/Cabochon
Baneful	Unholy Damage (magic)	Black	Rhombic/Trillion	Oval/Teardrop	Oblique/Cabochon

The 'One-Handed', 'Two-Handed', and 'Armor' column data would have mouseover tooltips looking something like:

Algid	Oblique	Cabochon
Azurite	0.9%	1.2%
Lapis Lazuli	0.9%	1.2%
Turqoise	0.9%	1.2%
Aquamarine	0.9%	1.2%
Sapphire	0.9%	1.2%
Star Sapphire	0.9%	1.2%
Fits in armor sockets.

--Kadaan 20:16, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, actually I think the tooltip would look better with a separate entry for the good/superior versions, one above the other. Then you could put in the actual "+0.9% Cold Invulnerability" on the line, making it look more like it does in-game ;). --Kadaan 20:19, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm all for collapsing Armor, 1H and 2H into a single row. I'm a little concerned about having to 'scrub' the screen with my mouse pointer to get the info I want, but I think the tooltip might be the way to go anyway. LakeSolon 22:09, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

If there's a better solution I'm all for it too :) What you could do is create the gems on sub articles IE: Gemcutting/Algid Oblique Cabochon I think we'd need to hack the code somewhat, probably create a new infobox would be best for gems, but can have it set that you simply use {{item}} for linking to them with the tooltip the same way you would normally. Means if someone... somehow gets to one of those sub-pages, then can easily click to go back to the main view... Make sense?

Daworm  talk / cont 00:33, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

We'd edit the individual page for each gem, and then the contents of the page would be visible as the tooltip for that row of the table? Sounds cool to me. So long as we keep as much info as possible directly visible in the main table without scrubbing, and don't require following a link to reveal more information. I think the tooltip containing only the "Gem Stats" column is a nice compromise between quick access to information and clutter.

Yeah, a page for each gem would just be INSANE. Figure 6 tiers * 8 colors * 2 sizes * 3 shapes * 4-8 prefixes gives well over a thousand different cut gems ;). --Kadaan 03:50, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

If we have a central list to generate these... it could be possible to get a bot to parse a list and create all these permutations... Kinda like how they create all the various +xx <spell damage> etc. for the wowwiki tooltips. I'll ask around and see what we can do. Could be possible via some template calculations to generate the output appropriately depending on what we set. Either that, do the most "common" values??? IE: Min-Max possible for various situations? Or perhaps just a list of all possible values?

IE: "if 4 - then you'll get these

-- if 5 then these as well

if 6 -- then these ... and so on?

Additionally, the infobox normally used atm is {{Infobox Item}}

Daworm  talk / cont 05:08, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Threw something together today, let me know what you think: User:Kadaan/sandbox (note tooltip for the first item) --Kadaan 00:03, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

That looks rather nice. Let me poke around and see what I can do, perhaps can have a bot scrape/feed the info into forms and submit them for us? Who knows, but the next step from here... how should we name said pages?

Daworm  talk / cont 03:31, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

I figured I'd put them under Gemcutting with pages named Prefix_Color_Type, such as Gemcutting/Algid_Orange_Armor. --Kadaan 17:27, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I think I'd put them under Gems/Prefix_Color_Type. The Gemcutting page can be cleaned up to contain only information about the profession itself, how to cut gems, how to socket gems, etc. A Gems page would then contain information about the raw and cut gems. --Kadaan 23:28, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Oops, Duplicated table

Well I seem to have accidentally double-pasted the table into the edit box after one of my edits. And then proceeded to overlook that when adding a few more additional edits. Trying to see if I can recover my followup entries without an annoying amount of tedium. Sorry. LakeSolon 09:32, 16 June 2008 (UTC)